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Coming out at 31: my update

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by jnr183, May 15, 2014.

  1. jnr183

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    Thanks to everybody for all the support. I do feel better that he heard what I had to say, but the realization that this dream that I have will probably be just a dream is a bitter pill to swallow. I have a hard time accepting that, years down the road, he is somebody that will likely play, at most, a minor role in my life. Again, time will tell. I am interested to see where the friendship goes with letting him take the lead for a while, but I'm not hopeful for much.

    I also have a hard time getting past feeling like (read: "feeling like", not necessarily "knowing that") he treats me differently now that he knows I'm gay and, because he has asked nearly no questions, he knows so little about my story anyways. I might be really sensitive to it and imagining it, and separating real life from the life in my head is difficult recently.

    There are things I wish were different but there is only so much we can control, right? Again, thanks for the replies and advice.... any comments keep them coming. I willl keep you all updated on this front and other fronts down the road.
     
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    Hi jnr. The plus side is that you are talking and he responded quickly to your message. I have to agree that there is something up with him but think you've done all you can. You made sure he knows you are there to talk and support him if/when he wants to talk about it. Whatever it is. I know this part is painful but give him time and always, I'm here if you need to talk
     
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    I still feel like you probably aren't going to be able to close this chapter unless you get together with him and tell him what you hoped he would feel about you, and hear what he says to that. If you are good friends with him, you should be able to be honest with him and tell him what you were wishing he would feel, and that gives him the chance to state what he feels, and for you to tell him that you accept that (whichever way it goes) and will honor his feelings, but you wanted him to know why he has been so important to you. It may not make you happy if he says he doesn't feel the same way about you, or maybe any man, but it will set you free to hear him say it, so that you can get your grieving done and move on. Him saying that he doesn't "love" you sexually does not mean that he doesn't love having you as a friend.
     
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    Thanks Yossarian! I have thought about this in the past and have thought about it more since you suggested it. For me to really put it behind me, I think I probably need to tell him, but I am not going to do it now for a few reasons.

    For one, I have unleashed two emotional purgings on him in the last two months - when I came out to him in early May and this past Sunday when I confronted him on not paying enough attention to me. I am always pretty self-conscious of not burdening others with my problems- one of those things that I consider a virtue but, when excessive, it becomes a vice. I don't doubt that he truly loves me as a friend. And as a friend, I love him too. But I worry that putting him on the spot yet again is unfair to him. However, I have resolved that if he does ask me if I like him or if I love him, I will be honest.

    Along the same lines, I am frustrated that we live far apart and that he works so much and that we can't see each other often. I would love to go away with him for a weekend or something like that but he doesn't get that kind of time off. Just like long-distance romantic relationships, I think it's hard for long-distance friendships to grow a whole lot other than that they become stronger as they pass the test of time.

    I guess what I'm saying is that I feel like I've rocked the boat a lot recently. Since confronting him on Sunday, he has put a lot more effort into being in touch with me. I'm not sure if he's doing it because he realizes he hurt me or if it's because he thinks he needs to be there for me, or if there's some other reason, but he's trying to meet me halfway. I don't want to put anything else on a plate that I suspect is already pretty full.

    So we'll see. I am trying to put him on the mental and emotional back burner for the time being and am having some success. I hope my feelings come to light at some point in the future, but right now the time is not right.
     
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    I haven't written on here much recently, but that is probably because there isn't much to update. However, I enjoy reading about everybody else's process/progress, so I can only imagine that others don't mind reading about mine.

    In short, not much has changed in the past few weeks. I haven't told anybody new since the middle of June. And I don't have any burning desire to tell anybody new at the moment. When I started telling people a couple months ago, the thought of coming out consumed me. I woke up at night thinking about it. Honestly, I think I feel a little more at peace with it now, but I am at least a little worried about losing momentum and reverting to a new status quo closet.

    At this point, my closest friends know. Closest friends qualify as long-distance friends that I speak to multiple times per week. Once I told some of these friends, I put a lot of pressure to tell the other of these friends, because I thought they deserved to know. So these friends know, and I've told a handful of less close LGBT friends. And then there are a few gay men I have met here and there.

    I think partly this slowdown is due to me not wanting to be out at work. For one, I am hoping to leave my job within the next year for reasons that have little to do with my sexuality (other than me feeling like I can't meet plenty of gay men near my age in my town). Secondly, my ex ("Melissa") doesn't know I am gay. She doesn't live in my town but she still talks to some of my coworkers with some regularity. We primarily broke up due to distance. While our breakup this spring did essentially coincide with a collision between my feelings for Jake and my acceptance of my sexuality, we broke up because she decided to move even further away than she had already lived. My feelings for her were waning. The breakup was strange. I did it in person and gave my non-gay reasons and basically all she said was 'okay' and acted like everything was fine. After that visit she wanted to stay in close touch and, when I indicated my desire for space, she became antagonistic and seemed to pursue opportunities to paint me as the bad guy to her friends (with whom I had become friendly as well). Needless to say, coming out seemed like handing her more fodder than I was prepared to handle.

    It is interesting because I feel a little guilty that I haven't told her. I suppose she will find out one day. She still texts once a week or so, but I don't reply with much. I imagine she still has feelings for me although I can't be sure. I don't really want to still be friends with her. I don't have ill will for her, but once we broke up, I realized how much we weren't right for each other. There were so many things about her that I didn't like. I think mostly I am annoyed with myself... that I had built so much of a smoke screen around myself... that I subconsciously convinced myself that we were compatible. I don't feel that I wronged her. I think my intentions were sincere but terribly misguided at the time. Either way, she isn't someone I want to be part of my coming out process or part of my life right now, but her presence seems to show up in one way or another at my workplace. Does that make sense? Have others had the same experience with their significant others?

    So I guess that brings me to my desire to meet another man. That's what set off this whole cycle at the beginning. I kind of feel like I don't want to be totally out until I meet another guy. I know that might not be totally logical. I know the catch that I probably can't meet a guy until I let others know that I am gay. I have tried meeting guys online for either friends or dating. I did go out to dinner with a gay couple I met on that app ****** this past weekend. They live in a nearby city about 45 minutes away. They are 5-10 years older than me, both came out around 30, both had been either engaged or married to women. They seemed like super nice guys and I would hang out with them again. They seem to have a good group of both straight and gay friends, and at the moment I don't have many of either in my current town. I am hopeful that this may be a good way to continue this process.

    I am going to see my parents this weekend. I don't plan on telling them. With me being single again for the past 3-4 months, questions have started coming about whether I have prospective girlfriends. There have been a few engagements among my college friends in the last few months. These were the guys that were always single when most of my friends were getting married. It's getting down to pretty much just me. I think they worry about me. They worry that I'm lonely. I don't know what the effect of coming out to them would be- whether it would generate more worry or whether it might provide some relief for them. I feel like it may be better to be a little more set in things before I tell them. Thoughts?

    As for Jake, we are back to talking fairly regularly. He seems to have responded fairly positively to me confronting him a few weeks ago. He never explained why he suddenly stopped replying to me, and I never pressed it. He has confided in me that he is stressed and burnt out in his job. He finally admitted to his girlfriend that he wasn't very happy with their relationship, but they haven't decided to break up just yet. In my opinion, he is simply putting off the inevitable. But I keep my opinion to myself! I think he's afraid to end a two-year relationship that his family is invested in at this point. I could go on forever about him, but bottom line I'm still not convinced that he is 100% straight or that he never thought more of our friendship. I could be completely off-base. I still love him and if he ever asks me I would tell him. I still want things to work out, but I think I have been better at looking at "Life Beyond Jake" (read: not necessarily "Life After Jake"). His weekend work schedule is awful but we talked about me visiting him for a weekend in August. If he could only get the balls to dump her by then!

    All in all, things aren't too bad. My main concern is that I'm taking this too slow, and if anyone has advice, I am all ears. At the end of the day, I have always been a pretty private person. I'm an extrovert and I love making new acquaintances, but I like having only a select few that know what's going on in my personal life. I have noticed that I have become much less cautious with hiding things. Talking freely about my sexuality at dinner. Typing this post at a coffeeshop not really worrying much that someone could be reading over my shoulder. Keeping gay friends' contact info and text conversations in my phone. I assume these are good things. They certainly aren't things I was doing a few months ago.

    As always, thanks for reading and sorry for rambling. Thanks for all the advice and all the writing everyone else does. Even if I'm not posting I am benefiting volumes from reading others' threads.
     
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    Thanks for the update, I was wondering how things were going. Hang in there, it all takes time, after all it took over 30 years for you to get to this point, so don't worry about taking things slow, there isn't any rush or time table.

    As far as your parents go, yeah I'd wait to announce anything to them until you are a bit more settled. Yes they might be wondering when the next girlfriend (potential wife material) will be coming along, but don't let that pressure you into reveling more than you are ready for. It can wait, they will be fine, just reassure them that you are doing ok and are enjoying your time with friends (to satisfy their "loneliness" worry).

    With your ex-girlfriend, I also agree you did not "wrong" her, and should not feel guilty at all. Whatever time you did spend together, I'm sure she enjoyed your company and had a good time, so no foul there. Just as you are doing, distance yourself from her and as soon as she finds another suitor, she will fad away on her own.

    With Jake, I know that is difficult for you since you have feelings for him, but for now just enjoy what you have with him, value the friendship, and cherish whatever time you get to spend with him. It may never lead to anything more, but a "good" friend is something very special in itself (real friends are hard to come by). If by chance "something" more comes of it, then that is just icing on the cake.

    The main thing in all of this is that you've come to a point in your life where you realize and reconciled with your inner feelings (or some may call them their demons, lol) and you are ok. That alone I believe is a "big deal", many of us who've struggled with this were not so lucky, and can only wish we had the chance to have a do over in life so we could take a different path. You have so much to look forward to, and have your whole life ahead of you, so don't despair or worry too much about it. Just be thankful you've not backed yourself into a corner "before" you realized you were gay.... things could be a whole lot harder if you had (like a wife, kids, etc.). Enjoy your freedom, look forward to finding that someone special to share your life with (which I know isn't easy, and the path can be a lonely one, so be patient and harbor a lot of endurance...). All these "pieces" will eventually fall into place, and someday you can look back on this unwieldy time in your life and ponder it with a big smile on your face.

    Again, thanks for the update, you do have "online" fiends here who care about you and wish you all the best.
     
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    jnr183, I do love reading your posts. It's great seeing you evolve and become more confident and directed.

    I don't see any problem with you not telling Melissa. You're right, she may find out eventually, but if there's distance (and it never sounded like you two were all that close anyhow), you really don't owe her any explanation.

    Parents....that's tough. Mine are long gone, although my mom made a subtle attempt at getting me to come out to her 30 years ago. (So subtle that I never picked up on it until about 20 years after she died.) I'd say if you're confident and feel it would serve a purpose, go for it, but don't feel compelled at the moment. I was out to a number of people for a good year and a half before I told my siblings. They're not part of my daily life and I see them once a year, so it just didn't seem like a very crucial discussion to have. Really, it wasn't until I actually found myself in a relationship that I wanted them to know, and that was really more about them knowing about his important part in my life than the fact that I was gay, if that makes any sense.

    Jake, Jake, Jake....if anything ever happens between you two, promise me you'll start a big thread entitled JAKE IS GAY! or JAKE KISSED ME! He sounds like a good friend to have and I'd make a point to take that vacation to see him, girlfriend or not. Maybe you can suggest that it would be nice to have time for the two of you to hang out alone together, without the girlfriend. Not unheard of for two friends to hang out together, after all!

    Keep us posted.....
     
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    jnr183 KUDOS!!
     
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    Thanks everyone for the kind words. It is immensely helpful to hear that the pace I'm setting is OK for me if it feels right to me, which at this point it does. I'm not ready to tell my parents this weekend- and not feeling the pressure to will help me enjoy my time at home that much more.

    I had an unexpectedly full day at work yesterday and didn't set out for my long journey home until hours later than I wanted to leave. I contemplated driving halfway and crashing at a motel for the night if I got too tired. Several hours in I called Jake and we ended up talking for two and a half hours. I think he wanted to talk and talking to him was really helping me stay awake. Thanks to him I made it all the way home.

    He is super stressed because he has more or less arrived at the decision to dump his girlfriend, but he just doesn't know when. He feels bad about how this will make her feel and I think he is terrified over the fallout. We talked about it for a little while.

    He went on to tell me about one of his coworkers that he befriended. How he feels like this guy is his only true friend in his new city- the only person he knows there who he thinks he would stay friends with long-term. He said he likes going out with this guy and his boyfriend.

    Um, exqueeze me, but did you just say HIS BOYFRIEND?!

    Didn't see that one coming! Jake has a great new gay friend. I can go into all sorts of speculation how it's at the very least interesting that the person Jake seems to have connected most deeply with there is gay.

    Interpret as you wish. I don't want to read too much into it. It is very likely that he's just comfortable enough with his own sexuality that having close gay friends doesn't threaten him. At the very least knowing that he is that comfortable with homosexuality is hugely reassuring. And makes me feel so much better that I'm not some weird gay albatross around his neck.

    Anyways, if nothing else it's a big step toward acceptance for me and a positive chapter of the story to share. Hope you all have a great weekend.
     
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    I nearly choked on my coffee reading your last post.. You already have some of us sitting on the edge of our seats with this thread; let’s hope for even more encouraging signs in the future, we’ll keep our fingers crossed.

    Sale Gay Guy
     
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    Thanks to SaleGayGuy for alerting me to jnr183 last post, I need to go back and read the whole thread, but not now almost bed time.
    Seems like things are going ok I guess it is a big step to tell the parents.
     
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    Just had a look back at my earlier reply #18, take a look at the second to last paragraph, is this what is happening to Jake?
     
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    Sale Gay Guy, I sure do wonder. It seems rude to assume that just because he has befriended a gay couple that he must be gay, but in the context of everything else that's happened, it is surprising and it does get some gears turning. I'm trying not to think about thst scenario too much because I feel like it enables this sort of fantasy land, but believe me I am not going to forget about it. Even if he was gay and not interested in me, it would still be awesome to have a gay friend like him. But again, as far as I know he is straight and he hasn't told me otherwise so for now I just need to be a patient and respectful, yet proactive and observant, friend.
     
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    Hey it's been a while, wondered how you were doing?
     
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    Hi Mav, thanks for checking in!

    Overall things are good but largely unchanged. Most exciting thing going on for me is a job prospect. I have been dying to get out of my current city for months now- due to dissatisfaction with my job, lack of a solid social circle, the list goes on. As far as my field goes this would be a ridiculously excellent opportunity. The job came up through a friend from school- there is no official opening at the moment- they probably aren't looking to hire someone until 2016, a lot of it is up in the air at this point but the prospect of moving and getting a new job gives me hope. And hope is something I need these days. My friend arranged a visit for me to meet the company so I'm going there in two weeks but I need to keep reminding myself it isn't an actual interview. Hard to not get too excited about it but it almost seems too perfect to be true. I could really use a new job from a professional standpoint and a new town from a personal standpoint.

    Added twist is that this job is actually in the city that Jake lives in. I can't make this stuff up. As for him, he broke up with his girlfriend a few weeks ago. From a friendship standpoint things have been really good between us. We have had a lot of good talks recently. I continue to speculate but he has given me no indication that he is looking for anythig more than being single for a while and sleeping with rebound girls when he can. And that's fine with me. Of course I'd love more but if he really is straight then I can't expect anything more. I'll see him when I visit for this job.

    Other than that I have not come out to anyone else yet. I am going away for a long weekend with a few friends from school- kind of our annual get together. Some I have come out to, others not. If the right time arises, I may tell a few of them but I don't want it to be some group conversation or something. I'd prefer a personal one on one scenario instead. I'm visiting my parents now for a few days. They don't know either. But visiting home then going away with friends sure beats the loneliness I seem to constantly endure in the town that I live in.

    I did have a date with a guy a couple weeks ago. He was cute. I liked him but we didn't have a ton to talk about. Our schedules are pretty different so it's hard to meet up. I have yet to have a good date with a guy that leads to a good night with a guy and I'd really like that to happen but I don't seem to hit it off well with guys for some reason. Unsure as to why.... Maybe I still don't seem comfortable enough with myself yet?

    Anyways thanks again for checking in! As always, open to all comments and thanks to you all for being here.
     
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    Fingers crossed on the job, and Jake...well, the saga continues, right? Talk about mixed signals on that front!

    As far as the dating goes...my experience with dating guys is nonexistent, but then my experience dating girls was just about nonexistent as well. My wife and I were acquaintances and friends before we got together (to give the somewhat sanitized Cliff notes version), and of course my one relationship with a guy basically jumped to life full blown off the pages of EC. I was never keen on the idea of a lot of random dating because it always seemed like a waste of time--I always assumed that when someone special came along, someone who was worth the time and effort, I'd know it almost instinctively, and I did. It may be that deep down, you already can recognize what will work and what won't, and that's stopping you from getting too involved in something that you already know on some level won't pan out. I'd sure not saying don't date--far from it! You won't find a special connection sitting at home. But don't sell your own instincts short either. Not everyone has to date someone for a few weeks or months to know whether it's going to work or not. You may actually be MORE comfortable with yourself and who you are than you think.

    Good luck on the job and everything else!
     
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    Just to update anyone who is interested. I was on vacation for a couple of weeks and then since I have come back to work it has been full throttle on catching up on everything I have missed. Honestly I have spent very little time thinking about my sexuality recently because I have been occupied with other things. Life should calm down a bit and I think I need to make an effort to bring this back to the forefront. Unsure if I am compartmentalizing out of defense or default.

    The job visit that I described in my previous post was on Monday. I think it went really well, which is exciting. They seemed to like me and apparently thought I would be a great fit according to the inside words from my friend. They don't know when they'd be hiring someone because of the seasonal nature of my job but it would likely not be for another 6+ months. The prospect of a new start is keeping me going right now. I know it might not work out but I'm on the right path.

    I haven't been meeting any guys recently mostly because I've been out of town so much. I think I need to make an effort to do this in the next few weeks. It's almost like the prospect of leaving is putting me on 'short-time' mode but I could very well be here a while.

    Jake is fine but his friendship is frustrating. When he dumped his girlfriend, his top priority seemed to be being single. His whole thing leading up to the breakup was that he hadn't ever been single for long. He always jumped into one unfulfilling relationship to the next. He started something with a girl he works with a couple days after the breakup- she ended that after a couple weeks because he told her that he just wanted sex and she felt like she was getting emotionally involved. Smart girl! But he's already moved onto another girl that he thinks might be relationship material. I get frustrated because he looks to me for advice a lot. He has told me how much he values my opinion which I find extremely ironic as I think my experience with relationships is twisted to say the least. I don't really know what to tell him other than, from what he's told me, all of his relationships have started this way. I don't know what sort of disorder or insecurity or need leads an attractive and successful 28-year-old man to seem to be completely unable to be single and stay single for a while. I'd love to think that his latent homosexuality is at the root of all of it, but it's probably just another exercise in wishful thinking.

    After visiting him for the night this past weekend, I did arrive at one probable conclusion: that my feelings for him are holding me back from meeting someone and from helping this coming out process along. I know, I know... you all knew this months ago. I'm coming around to it now. I hadn't seen him in a couple months and seeing him again made me remember all the things I liked about him, all the ways we get along so effortlessly, all the traits he possesses that I desire and don't seem to find in eligible guys that I meet.

    One thing I have wondered is whether my friendship with him is worth it. I wonder if it is worth the pain and emotional torture of having him just out of my reach. I wonder if I will not get over him until I tell him everything- and I mean everything- how much I care for him, how compatible I think we are, how I speculate about his sexuality. I am a little tempted to. Of course, a major motivator is to get it all out there once and for all, but a minor motivator is that glimmer of hope that still exists.

    I am not an impulsive person and I will probably ponder this for way too long. I know some of you have suggested this already. I think my biggest hesitation is that I don't think I can confess all this and keep the friendship intact. And I need to decide if that's what I want, which for once I actually think maybe that would be better for me... which gets even weirder when I could be moving to his city. If I'm not moving to his city, it almost seems to make sense to give up on him once and for all.... and whether going down in a blaze of glory will be as cathartic as I want it to be.

    On the other hand, dumping all this on a guy who for the most part has been pretty kind to me seems a little unfair.
     
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    The kindest thing you can do for him is to be honest with him, and find out where he stands about you. If you know that he cannot return the feelings for you, then YOU can move on. If he does feel something for you more than simple friendship, then you can move on together. Either way, YOU can move on. "Just do it!" People less important than him to you already know; he should too.
     
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    Thanks Yossarian! There will be a lot of courage that I need to build up for it to happen.

    I know a lot of you have been through similar situations in your lives. Is it normal to feel complete and utter humiliation surrounding this whole unrequited love saga? I feel like such a fool. When I think about him, and when I think that he has maybe suspected I have feelings for him and has been kind enough to ignore that, I just feel so damn humiliated, which is a difficult emotion to conquer.
     
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    Wow, I have recently just joined the forum, and the title of the thread (coming out at 31), really caught my eye! I initially opened it to browse through quickly, but have spent nearly an hour reading through the posts,

    Sounds like you have a lot going on there, really hope everything works out with the "potential" new job in the different city. What I have been reading regarding Jake, has been interesting, as I have also in the past been in similar situations of having feelings for a friend (in my case it was, and maybe still is a girl, trying to get over it), and it isn't easy. Also, it seems like he's a great friend and cool with hanging out with gay guys, from what I've heard, he's become close with one of his coworkers who is gay.

    I'll be checking back regularly for updates, you story is very interesting and inspiring, please continue to share!