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nisomer · 20th Apr 2005, 03:26 PM

What do you guys think of him?

My guitar teacher (who is German) told me that this guy is as far "right" (conservative) as you can possibly be. He said that (although he was probably exagerating) he was the next Mussalini. And now, after I read this article on msn, I'm starting to get a feeling about this new pope. I could probably tell you right now that he probably against all rights for homosexuality, seeing has how deeply conservative he is.

The article is located here.

Here are a few excerpts that I found most interesting/upsetting-

“We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires,” he said Monday in a pre-conclave Mass in memory of John Paul. The church, he insisted, must defend itself against threats such as “radical individualism” and “vague religious mysticism.”

He also shows no flexibility on the church’s views on priestly celibacy, contraception and the ban on ordinations for women.

In recent years, he took on issues outside church doctrine. He once called Buddhism a religion for the self-indulgent. In an interview with the French magazine Le Figaro last year, he suggested Turkey’s bid to join the Europe Union conflicted with Europe’s Christian roots — a view that could unsettle Vatican attempts to improve relations with Muslims.

A religion for the self-indulgent? How can someone say something like that and still be elected as pope...

hawkeye · 20th Apr 2005, 03:58 PM

this guy is extremely conservative. I guess he is 78 though, and almost all people that old are, but then again, why did they have to elect a 78 year old pope!? and about homosexuality, i guess we will need to wait another 15 years or so to have any chance of it being religously accepted. ehh, whats another 15 years after a eternity of suppression.
Ohh! about turkey! thats amazing! to say that a country doesnt belong because of its religion is outragous! for the past 200 years it has been widely accepted that government and church are separated. this guy seems to have a need for political power. I do remembe reading in the new york times that he is looking to have more of an influence on governments. absolutely amazing.
And of course he is trying to put down all other religions. He wrote this essay (doctorine?) in which he states that catholisism is true and holy, and all other religions are deceptive. sa basicly, if you aren't in the Catholic church, cb his eyes you are wrong. Then again, that is the basis of the religion, it is true and nothing else is.

hawkeye · 20th Apr 2005, 04:23 PM

lol! i was just reading the article and it mentioned this 80 year old italian grandmother toasting with red wine in a paper cup!

goratrix · 21st Apr 2005, 03:02 PM

Oh... don't kill me, but I don't expect this pope to last much. He's 78... so... 10 years? 15 at most? but it'll be more like 5. Anyway, it's the pope... do you really expect them to choose a pope that is not conservative? I mean... come on... It took them centuries to apologize for the inquisition...

hawkeye · 21st Apr 2005, 04:31 PM

agreed to the conservative part, but ive heard a lot that people think he is too conservative. people wanted to see a pope from another continent, or someone that has differences with the last pope. this guy is practicaly his mirror image.

CryCrazy27 · 21st Apr 2005, 05:52 PM

<---not religious, not into politics. mmmmmmk.

Jas · 23rd Apr 2005, 01:50 AM

Yer supposedly he is realli against homosexuality. He has spoken out about it and says its a mortal sin and all that. Defnitely not a liberally minded pope.

So yer I'm not a big fan of the Rat-zinger

Yer and cos of his age people are basically saying that who cares he wont be around for long anywayz (just not as bluntly as that)
They say he is a tranmission sort of pope. Sort of like a rebound girlfriend or boyfreind lol. Just there until the next one comes along. Sounds bad but they sed it on the news so it must b ok rite? lol

nisomer · 25th Apr 2005, 05:08 PM

Yeah, that is what my history teacher said today. We were discussing him and he said that this pope is a transition like Jas said, so that the newer and younger pope will not have to follow John Paul II, but instead Benedict XVI.

joeyconnick · 25th Apr 2005, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes!
They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses!
And what's with all the carrots?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?
Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!!
... Or maybe midgets?

Your sig is awesome, by the way. I love Anya. One of my favourite Buffy quotes, that I sometimes use as a sig, is "I'm so evil. And skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay..."

TriBi · 26th Apr 2005, 05:08 AM

I think one thing to remember is that Pope John Paul ll was very conservative. Not only that, but he also appointed a very large number of the current Cardinals - ensuring that they would follow his doctrines and philosopies. That understood, it was always highly unlikely that any "new" Pope was going to be in any way more Liberal with his thinking.

To me, it would appear that Pope Benedict (Ratzinger) has been appointed mainly due to his loyalty to J.P.ll - as a "sop" if you will. That gives them time to think about who will be the next "longer term" Pope.

Just don't hold your breath for reform - they are ALL pretty right wing conservative ATM - J.P.ll made sure of that. I can't see the Catholic Church venturing too far out of the "Dark Ages" any time soon...(just my opinion!)

Jas · 26th Apr 2005, 06:19 PM

Yer Anya is the best huh?

That show has got sum of the best quotes ever and i was waitin for a buffy fan to notice it and make a comment. Funny how it happened in the post on the pope. Meh if it turns into a disussion on Buffy im fine with that.

goratrix · 26th Apr 2005, 06:37 PM

I think willow is the best character. She's got it all, incredible power, magic and sge's gay. Put her in xander's body and that should make her perfect

joeyconnick · 26th Apr 2005, 06:40 PM

I'm totally happy with this turning into a Buffy thread. I think the Pope is nasty.

As for good quotes, yes, it's pretty much the most quotable show of the last hundred years. One which I use frequently is "What is your childhood trauma?"

Cordy rocks. Did you see her last episode on Angel? I cried. I totally cried. And I was totally caught off-guard with what happened, which is unlike me because I watch so much TV that I can often predict what's going to happen in terms of the plot.

joeyconnick · 26th Apr 2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goratrix

I think willow is the best character. She's got it all, incredible power, magic and sge's gay. Put her in xander's body and that should make her perfect

Xander is GROSS! Well, he is now. Sorry, but he stopped being cute after 4th season.

I'm rewatching it on DVD...me and my friend recently finished Season 4. "I wear the cheese... it does not wear me."

goratrix · 27th Apr 2005, 09:16 AM

I meant his body. And I like him better on the last season.

Jas · 28th Apr 2005, 06:19 AM

Good idea. Pope=bad Buffy=good. In fact i shuld prolly make a new thread.

Yah huh i'm always usin qoutes from it all the time and wot bugs the hell outta me is wen my friends r like wot? Then i have to launch into an explanation of what episode the line is from and all that and then usually end it by saying 'u suck u should have watched buffy' lol

I need more buffy conscious freinds. And yer Xnader wasnt bad but Angel was pretty sweet.

"That probably would've sounded more convincing if I wasn't wearing my yummy sushi pajamas."

"It’s a doodle. I doodle. You too. You do doodle too."

Yer i culd go on 4ever with quotes lol.

joeyconnick · 28th Apr 2005, 09:52 AM

No no... you missed it!

"Pope bad, Buffy pretty"

Quick, name the episode and who said the unparaphrased quotation!

goratrix · 28th Apr 2005, 06:47 PM

Wow... I see now that I'm not a real fan... could we turn this into a star trek thread? there I would rule! (still, you all know i'm a nerd... so no suprirse there).

Jas · 29th Apr 2005, 07:11 AM

Hahaha i hadnt even ment for my pope=bad and buffy=good thing as a quote from the show but u picked up on it which means i love u now lol.

I noe i shuld have but anyways yer.

Fire bad, tree pretty-Buffy

Sed to Giles right near the end of season 2 last episode Graduation Day part 2.

Man im a loser lol. It culd becum a Star Trek one yer but id have to sit that one out. Never wacthed it.

joeyconnick · 29th Apr 2005, 09:24 AM

Oh you were SO close! But it was at the end of Season 3, not 2. End of Season 2 was sending Angel to Hell in Becoming Parts I and II.

:biggrin:

Still, you can have a crown:

(because I couldn't have told you when the sushi pyjamas quote was made)

20th Apr 2005, 03:26 PM	#1
nisomer Da Jedi Masta Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: All but a few Location: MN Age: 23 Posts: 581 Join Date: Mar 2005	Pope Benedict XVI What do you guys think of him? My guitar teacher (who is German) told me that this guy is as far "right" (conservative) as you can possibly be. He said that (although he was probably exagerating) he was the next Mussalini. And now, after I read this article on msn, I'm starting to get a feeling about this new pope. I could probably tell you right now that he probably against all rights for homosexuality, seeing has how deeply conservative he is. The article is located here. Here are a few excerpts that I found most interesting/upsetting- “We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires,” he said Monday in a pre-conclave Mass in memory of John Paul. The church, he insisted, must defend itself against threats such as “radical individualism” and “vague religious mysticism.” He also shows no flexibility on the church’s views on priestly celibacy, contraception and the ban on ordinations for women. In recent years, he took on issues outside church doctrine. He once called Buddhism a religion for the self-indulgent. In an interview with the French magazine Le Figaro last year, he suggested Turkey’s bid to join the Europe Union conflicted with Europe’s Christian roots — a view that could unsettle Vatican attempts to improve relations with Muslims. A religion for the self-indulgent? How can someone say something like that and still be elected as pope...

20th Apr 2005, 03:58 PM	#2
hawkeye EC Addict Regular Member Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 278 Join Date: Mar 2005	this guy is extremely conservative. I guess he is 78 though, and almost all people that old are, but then again, why did they have to elect a 78 year old pope!? and about homosexuality, i guess we will need to wait another 15 years or so to have any chance of it being religously accepted. ehh, whats another 15 years after a eternity of suppression. Ohh! about turkey! thats amazing! to say that a country doesnt belong because of its religion is outragous! for the past 200 years it has been widely accepted that government and church are separated. this guy seems to have a need for political power. I do remembe reading in the new york times that he is looking to have more of an influence on governments. absolutely amazing. And of course he is trying to put down all other religions. He wrote this essay (doctorine?) in which he states that catholisism is true and holy, and all other religions are deceptive. sa basicly, if you aren't in the Catholic church, cb his eyes you are wrong. Then again, that is the basis of the religion, it is true and nothing else is. __________________ "I am what I am, and that is all that I am" Popeye

20th Apr 2005, 04:23 PM	#3
hawkeye EC Addict Regular Member Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 278 Join Date: Mar 2005	lol! i was just reading the article and it mentioned this 80 year old italian grandmother toasting with red wine in a paper cup! __________________ "I am what I am, and that is all that I am" Popeye

21st Apr 2005, 03:02 PM	#4
goratrix EC Addict Full Member Age: 25 Posts: 570 Join Date: Apr 2005	Oh... don't kill me, but I don't expect this pope to last much. He's 78... so... 10 years? 15 at most? but it'll be more like 5. Anyway, it's the pope... do you really expect them to choose a pope that is not conservative? I mean... come on... It took them centuries to apologize for the inquisition... __________________ Cicciux Back from beyond. A different dog.

21st Apr 2005, 04:31 PM	#5
hawkeye EC Addict Regular Member Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 278 Join Date: Mar 2005	agreed to the conservative part, but ive heard a lot that people think he is too conservative. people wanted to see a pope from another continent, or someone that has differences with the last pope. this guy is practicaly his mirror image. __________________ "I am what I am, and that is all that I am" Popeye

21st Apr 2005, 05:52 PM	#6
CryCrazy27 Member Regular Member Location: MN Posts: 24 Join Date: Apr 2005	<---not religious, not into politics. mmmmmmk.

23rd Apr 2005, 01:50 AM	#7
Jas Member Regular Member Age: 24 Posts: 17 Join Date: Apr 2005	Yer supposedly he is realli against homosexuality. He has spoken out about it and says its a mortal sin and all that. Defnitely not a liberally minded pope. So yer I'm not a big fan of the Rat-zinger Yer and cos of his age people are basically saying that who cares he wont be around for long anywayz (just not as bluntly as that) They say he is a tranmission sort of pope. Sort of like a rebound girlfriend or boyfreind lol. Just there until the next one comes along. Sounds bad but they sed it on the news so it must b ok rite? lol __________________ Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes! They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses! And what's with all the carrots? What do they need such good eyesight for anyway? Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! ... Or maybe midgets?

25th Apr 2005, 05:08 PM	#8
nisomer Da Jedi Masta Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: All but a few Location: MN Age: 23 Posts: 581 Join Date: Mar 2005	Yeah, that is what my history teacher said today. We were discussing him and he said that this pope is a transition like Jas said, so that the newer and younger pope will not have to follow John Paul II, but instead Benedict XVI.

26th Apr 2005, 05:08 AM	#10
TriBi Cheers! Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Bisexual Location: DownUnder Posts: 3,825 Join Date: Dec 2004	I think one thing to remember is that Pope John Paul ll was very conservative. Not only that, but he also appointed a very large number of the current Cardinals - ensuring that they would follow his doctrines and philosopies. That understood, it was always highly unlikely that any "new" Pope was going to be in any way more Liberal with his thinking. To me, it would appear that Pope Benedict (Ratzinger) has been appointed mainly due to his loyalty to J.P.ll - as a "sop" if you will. That gives them time to think about who will be the next "longer term" Pope. Just don't hold your breath for reform - they are ALL pretty right wing conservative ATM - J.P.ll made sure of that. I can't see the Catholic Church venturing too far out of the "Dark Ages" any time soon...(just my opinion!)

26th Apr 2005, 06:19 PM	#11
Jas Member Regular Member Age: 24 Posts: 17 Join Date: Apr 2005	Yer Anya is the best huh? That show has got sum of the best quotes ever and i was waitin for a buffy fan to notice it and make a comment. Funny how it happened in the post on the pope. Meh if it turns into a disussion on Buffy im fine with that. __________________ Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes! They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses! And what's with all the carrots? What do they need such good eyesight for anyway? Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! ... Or maybe midgets?

26th Apr 2005, 06:37 PM	#12
goratrix EC Addict Full Member Age: 25 Posts: 570 Join Date: Apr 2005	I think willow is the best character. She's got it all, incredible power, magic and sge's gay. Put her in xander's body and that should make her perfect __________________ Cicciux Back from beyond. A different dog.

26th Apr 2005, 06:40 PM	#13
joeyconnick sine qua non Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 3,332 Join Date: Apr 2005	I'm totally happy with this turning into a Buffy thread. I think the Pope is nasty. As for good quotes, yes, it's pretty much the most quotable show of the last hundred years. One which I use frequently is "What is your childhood trauma?" Cordy rocks. Did you see her last episode on Angel? I cried. I totally cried. And I was totally caught off-guard with what happened, which is unlike me because I watch so much TV that I can often predict what's going to happen in terms of the plot.

27th Apr 2005, 09:16 AM	#15
goratrix EC Addict Full Member Age: 25 Posts: 570 Join Date: Apr 2005	I meant his body. And I like him better on the last season.

28th Apr 2005, 06:19 AM	#16
Jas Member Regular Member Age: 24 Posts: 17 Join Date: Apr 2005	Good idea. Pope=bad Buffy=good. In fact i shuld prolly make a new thread. Yah huh i'm always usin qoutes from it all the time and wot bugs the hell outta me is wen my friends r like wot? Then i have to launch into an explanation of what episode the line is from and all that and then usually end it by saying 'u suck u should have watched buffy' lol I need more buffy conscious freinds. And yer Xnader wasnt bad but Angel was pretty sweet. "That probably would've sounded more convincing if I wasn't wearing my yummy sushi pajamas." "It’s a doodle. I doodle. You too. You do doodle too." Yer i culd go on 4ever with quotes lol. __________________ Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes! They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses! And what's with all the carrots? What do they need such good eyesight for anyway? Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! ... Or maybe midgets?

28th Apr 2005, 09:52 AM	#17
joeyconnick sine qua non Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 3,332 Join Date: Apr 2005	No no... you missed it! "Pope bad, Buffy pretty" Quick, name the episode and who said the unparaphrased quotation!

28th Apr 2005, 06:47 PM	#18
goratrix EC Addict Full Member Age: 25 Posts: 570 Join Date: Apr 2005	Wow... I see now that I'm not a real fan... could we turn this into a star trek thread? there I would rule! (still, you all know i'm a nerd... so no suprirse there). __________________ Cicciux Back from beyond. A different dog.

29th Apr 2005, 07:11 AM	#19
Jas Member Regular Member Age: 24 Posts: 17 Join Date: Apr 2005	Hahaha i hadnt even ment for my pope=bad and buffy=good thing as a quote from the show but u picked up on it which means i love u now lol. I noe i shuld have but anyways yer. Fire bad, tree pretty-Buffy Sed to Giles right near the end of season 2 last episode Graduation Day part 2. Man im a loser lol. It culd becum a Star Trek one yer but id have to sit that one out. Never wacthed it. __________________ Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes! They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses! And what's with all the carrots? What do they need such good eyesight for anyway? Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! ... Or maybe midgets?

29th Apr 2005, 09:24 AM	#20
joeyconnick sine qua non Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 3,332 Join Date: Apr 2005	Oh you were SO close! But it was at the end of Season 3, not 2. End of Season 2 was sending Angel to Hell in Becoming Parts I and II. :biggrin: Still, you can have a crown: (because I couldn't have told you when the sushi pyjamas quote was made)